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A US Navy flagship carrying humanitarian aid yesterday steamed into a Georgian port where Russian troops are still stationed, stoking tensions once again in the tinderbox Caucasus region.
A previous trip by US warships was cancelled at the last minute a week ago amid fears that an armed stand-off could intensify in the Black Sea port of Poti.
The arrival of the USS Mount Whitney, flagship of the 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean, came as Moscow accused Dick Cheney, the hawkish US Vice-President, of stoking tensions during a visit to Tbilisi this week. After meeting President Saakashvili, Mr Cheney vowed to bring Georgia into the Nato alliance. Russia sees such moves as Western encroachment on its traditional sphere of influence.
Russia’s leaders have accused previous US warships that docked at the port of Batumi, to the south, of delivering weapons to re-arm the smashed Georgian military — charges that Washington denied.
While Russia again questioned the deployment of what it described as “the number one ship of its type in the US Navy” in the Black Sea, it said that it planned no military action in response. The Russian Army has kept a small component of soldiers in Poti, where Georgian officials accuse them of looting port authority buildings.
“Naval ships of that class can hardly deliver a large amount of aid,” said Andrei Nesterenko, a Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman. “Such ships have a hold for keeping provisions for the crew and items needed for sailing. How many tonnes of aid can a ship of that type deliver?”
He said that the presence of US warships could contravene international conventions governing shipping in the Black Sea, and in particular restrictions on the entry of naval ships from countries that do not share a Black Sea coastline. The small Russian garrison in Poti would pose no military threat to a vessel like the Mount Whitney, but the proximity of two hostile forces in such a fraught environment set the political temperature rising again in the Caucasus a month after Russia’s five-day war with Georgia.
Moscow, which followed up its crushing military defeat of Georgia by unilaterally recognising two of its breakaway provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, was angry that Mr Cheney still insisted on Georgia’s entrance into the Atlantic alliance — something several key Nato members oppose. “The new promises to Tbilisi relating to the speedy membership of Nato strengthen the Saakashvili regime’s dangerous feeling of impunity and encourages its dangerous ambitions,” said Mr Nesterenko.
Visiting Kiev, the Ukrainian capital yesterday, Mr Cheney kept up his tough anti-Russian rhetoric when he urged Ukraine’s squabbling pro-Western leaders to unite in the face of threats to the country’s security. He met President Yushchenko and Yuliya Tymoshenko, the Prime Minister, and told them that Ukraine’s best hope was to be “united with other democracies”.
Mr Yushchenko has accused his former Orange Revolution ally of siding with Russia in the war with Georgia, an allegation she denies. The split led to the collapse of Ukraine’s coalition Government on Tuesday.
After endorsing Georgia’s application, Mr Cheney said that the US was also committed to Ukraine’s membership of Nato. Konstantin Kosachyov, head of the foreign affairs committee in Russia’s lower house, accused Mr Cheney of forging an “anti-Russian axis”.
The US will continue to lead the world in all spheres whether the rest of the world likes it or not.
I wonder why people from other autocratic and totalitarian countries of the world have the temerity to question US democracy which undoubtedly is the best in the world.
Nelly, California, USA
hate us, love us, critizize us... it dont matter were still on top and get use to it, cause were here to rule the world for much longer than the romans!! hahaha!!
Eddie jones, New York, USA
USA even cant fight the Afgans or Iraqs ... How can they fight Russians ...
Viraj, Colombo,
Ohhh Dear, the Yanks are so paranoid, they really should stop thinking they're the "Police" of the world & stop sticking their noses into other peoples business. All this talk about terrorism etc, they used to fund it so they could fight against their closest ally, i.e. IRA against the UK. Hypocrisy
Dennis, Dublin, Ireland
The way most americans write here seems like a joke. Why the usa has to have so many military bases all over the world? Even in Italy, not far from where I come from, in Vicenza there is one.
Marcello Miorelli, Belluno, Italia
The USA is always fomenting war somewhere. It is a very lucrative business for them. They sell weapons and destruction and then Anerican companies are paid to rebuild and straighten things up. What an hipocrisy!!! They are always in favour of freedom but how many dictatorships they have supported?
Marcello Miorelli, Belluno, Italia
Russia, the United States, Georgia all need to get together and play a test cricket series to settle this.
Greg, Sydney, Australia
we are the Russians and we can do anything
mitya, moskow, russsia
V--US takeover Fred and Fan did not stiff China and Russia. World's central and privarte banks hold 100s of millions of F & F bonds. This keeps bonds out of default. China cheered this.
At least US went there. Everyone check out cover of latest "Economist." True picture of Europe's leaders.
Terry L. Walker, Ladson, SC / USA
No, David in London, the US wasn't interested in once again become entangled in another European war, especially as it had been the European allies' insistance, against US advice, on punishing Germany after WWI (Treaty of Versailles) that had led to the rise of Hitler and the Nazis.
C. Heathcote, Tonbridge,
Like a senior citizen, the old Russian bear has become obstinate, decrepit, and almost toothless
Maybe the last famous words of Sakashvili, before the 8th of August, 2008...
Almost...What is in an "almost" ?
Leonard, Sardinia,
Andrew, the US entered the second world war in 1941. The war started in 1939 They were not sure that they should be against Hitler and all he stood for until the Japanese attacked them at Pearl Harbor. Hmmm. . .think about that! In the meantime, it was Britain that defended freedom.
David, London,
Russia may be in recline, with a better administration perhaps they wont be, but perhaps the world would be a bit better if the great west stopped provoking the dead bear, they still have a significant nuclear arsenal. If they r so insignificant what is the for a shield against them???
Peter, Berlin, Germany
Serguei, Stalin and Hitler were allies from 39-41. USSR helped to build up the Nazi war machine from '22 supplying it to June 41.Nazi planes bombing Europe and the UK did so with Soviet aviation fuel.USA fed& supplied war material to USSR &UK, without the USA no Kursk, no victory. One big III Reich.
Dr Andris Lielmanis, Brampton, Canada.
All the West has to do is sit back and wait for Russia's implosion. With their only exports of significance being oil, natural gas and a few mineralogical odds and ends, there won't be much of a wait.
Like a senior citizen, the old Russian bear has become obstinate, decrepit, and almost toothless
Dave, Phoenix, AZ, USA
I have lived in Russia for 12 years. Seen a lot, know a lot. Russia's belligerence, the determination to make trouble, is because they CANNOT compete with the rest of us. They simply cannot do it and they know it. Their actions are evidence of a very weak State still in terminal decline.
Ben, Moscow, Russia
i am a great supporter of the usa and believe that if it was not for america during the second world war the world would certainly have been different today.america is the only country that can and will protect our freedom as we know it today.long live america.europeans should never forget history
andrew, cape town, south africa
"The real enemies of America and Western Europe are Russia, China, and Islam" -
It's really stange to call countries which provide oil, gas and produce most of the products, which the world consumes, as anemies. US citizens forget about their trade balance with China and asian countries.
Elena, SPb, RF
Talking about the WW II :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm
"figures suggesting that German forces suffered 93% of their casualties on the Soviet front".
Ilya, S-Petersburg, Russia
As a country in a state of intellectual, moral and, certainly, economic bankruptcy, the United States had rather better see to its own myriad failings instead of persisting with its ridiculous and megalomaniacal attempt to rule over the entire world.
Fabio Juliano, Sao Paulo, Brazil
The majority of comments from Americans here are scary. I hope they are not too representative.
YuriB, London, Canada
." America has saved us from both Nazi & Soviets
Jas, Alders, UK
which soviets would that be Jas,"
Stalin and beria (head of nkvd) both georgians or Brezhnev the ukrainian? Russians made up the vast majority of the Soviets killed in the Great terror, by Stalin and beria
Graham Bromley, Rotherham, UK
dear America I love you......xxx
anne marie heelan, paris, france
Luis from Madrid, the answer is Zapatero!
Glenn, Brooklyn , US
Barbara from Atlanta wrote:
"Ossetia is not a separate country. It is as much a part of Georgia as Miami is a part of the state of Florida.
Imagine that the state of Florida would bomb the city of Miami with all weapons for 15 hours, like Georgians did to Tskhinvali, and you get the RIGHT picture.
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
Jas asking:
"Has Russia rebuilt Grosney or Geogia after its destruction?"
The right answer for Grosny is "Yes, it has"
Not to start the Chechnya discussion, just to give true answer to the question.
Georgia is not ruined, but Tskhinvaly the capital of south Ossetia is. And It will be rebuilt too
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
I am far more afraid of Americans than both AlQaida and Russians put together.
C Konig, London, UK
With Secretary of the Treasury, Paulson announcing that the U.S. gov't has taken over Freddie and Fannie, stiffing both China and Russia as major investors, the U.S. won't have very much in the way of an 'economy' very, very soon when both dump their U.S. dollar investments which are vital to the US
V, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Okay, let me get this straight so I can think like a European. Russia invades two breakaway Provinces in Georgia which are South Ossetia and Abkhazia and supports that breakaway but when Chechnya tried to breakaway from Russia the Russians invaded them and massacred many innocent civilians. Got it
Lawrence Leeds, Nashua, USA
I've been staunchly pro-american all of my life, but the things I see here make me think whether those comments - which I have alway thought silly - about americans being a dumb and inward-obsessed people were maybe true, after all. You idiots REALLY want another cold war? Are you all mad??
Pietro B, SP, Italy
to american experts in WWII: have you heard of battles of : Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk? I thoght not - get googling then. Do not forget to look the dates :)
serguei, Lewes, East sussex, The UK
Georgia is not a member of NATO.
Elle, London, UK
The Great Powers that are hostile to the West will take pleasure in reading both the naive and stupid European anti-Americanism and the ill-informed US isolationism and triumphalism of these comments. We share a largely common culture, history and values; united we stand, divided we fall.
Richard, York, UK
Grow up EJM - It's all about the election.
Steve, Singapore, Singapore
Georgia is a sovereign state and can play host to as many American warships - or anybody else's warships - as it wishes. If Russia wants to clang sabres, let it. Anything more and it will be starting a fight it can't win and Putin knows that.
A Watts. Clearly you have no experience of Russians!
Richard Crow , Warsaw, Poland
1. Americans are WELL KNOWN threat nowdays to stability and peace in the world
2. Americans bombed civilians Yugoslavia, Iraq, and are still bombing civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan
3. According to the posts here THEY ARE AFRAID of RUSSIA, and
4. Thery are morally weak and irresponsible
John, Leicester,
Shouldn't Dick Cheney stick to raping the environment. Hasn't he done enough damage in the world with his assistance in the Iraq fiasco. If Georgia joins NATO then we have another war to deal with. And America does not have the military capacity to go against the Russians. We don't need more war
BJH, Morgantown, WV, USA
If your aim is true where is wmd in iraq and bin laden in afganistan?
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
I was not around during ww2 but i studied history at school
and one thing i know is you get nothing positive out of
appeasement.
Now that Russia is the main supplier of gas to Europe
they think they should be in the seat at the top of the
table. GOD BLESS AMERICA
john w langston, GATESHEAD TYNE AND WEAR, ENGLAND
Well,
I am amazed with your responses. Verbal abuse isn't the answer. Dilect is the key to success. Lets work together and solve these problems promptly and with dignity. Unless you have gone through a life death situation and survived it you don't know what life is about. Enjoy, help each other
Branka, Sydney,
To A Watts,
Tell that to the people in the countries who endured living in the Soviet Union. These people are terrified of Russia's INFLUENCE. I suggest you find out how Russia deals with people who disagree with it.
CT, Cambridge,
Seeing that it was Georgia that was occupied & only traitors & fellow travellers that side with Russia . America has saved us from both Nazi & Soviets plus initiated the Marshal, plan to re buld the EU . Has Russia rebuilt Grosney or Geogia after its destruction? No ! Many have misplaced Loyalty.
Jas, Alders, UK
A choice between Putin and Cheney is no choice.
julia, london,
Americans want the war with Russia too much i'm afraid. I think with such wishes the war will be. Europe, do you understand that the USA is involving you too? They think it's a game, but another world understand that it'll be the end of the USA, Russia and Europe. The first Poland will be. It's fact
vera, novokuznetsk, russia
You anti American's are misguided, how many of you believe that if hitler or stalin had the bomb before the USA, your maps would look like it does now. Wake up and smell the coffee.We are your friends and as in the past our intention's are honerable & our aim is true.
EJM, NJ, USA
"We (Europe) would be better off aligning with Russia and giving the US the thrashing it deserves.
A Watts, Nice, France"
Are you serious? YOU ARE A MEMBER OF NATO! ACT LIKE IT! The NATO Constitution says "an attack on one member is an attack on another." And you want to "align" with Russia?
Robert, Sunrise, USA
I don't understand Europe anymore. Russia starts to growl again and you get all soft? Don't ANY of you remember history? WE (US and Europe together) are stronger together. Putin wants to be a Czar and you want to reward him by giving him Georgia?
Robert, Sunrise, USA
We (Europe) would be better off aligning with Russia and giving the US the thrashing it deserves.
A Watts, Nice, France
Mike in Toronto,
What exactly defines a Christian extremist?
Scot, Phoenix, USA
and four out of every five axis troops facing the soviets, yep the good ole US of A saved our bacon? not!
Graham Bromley, Rotherham, UK
Thank goodness you were not a strategist then. Your understanding of warfare is pathetic.
Tam Earl-Aine, Cheltenham,
I can't wait for US election, and the end of it's government made up of right-wing Christian extremists and fundamentalists. Better times are around the corner!
Mike, Toronto, Canada
I love to hear the ignorance of Europeans espousing the moral equivalency of Russia invading Georgia and the US liberation of Iraq. Unfortunately, their naivety of current events without any historic perspective will lead directly to the repeat of history and the US will have to save the day again.
Jacque Bauer, Los Angeles, USA
Well, this is simply a challenge to the Russians. It is an attempt to take the upper hand in the situation that the Russians gained in the invasion. This move says, "Here we are and we dare you to react." There will be no reaction because the Russians will not fire on an American warship.
Garnett Decosimo, Chattanooga, USA
Where was Russia from 1939-1941 when Britain was under seige and standing alone against the forces of Hitler? (Oh, yes, carving up Poland, Finland and the Baltic.) Helping Britain? Of course not, they were the Huns' ally. It was the Yanks who kept the nightengale singing in Berekely Square.
Bob Evans, Anaheim, California
we had the abomb in 45 so how can u say the usa couldnt have defeated the germans without the russians?
jon, boston, usa
We fooled all of you. America was never involved in WWII. The yanks in Britain left on ships and planes and never really went into battle. Russia did beat the Germans, and didn't need Britain or France to help. Let's all apologize and turn it over to the Russians. The EU can coordinate.
Jim P, Sacramento, United States
Actually the US empire is showing signs of decay. Its puppet in Pakistan is gone; it is losing the battle in Afghanistan; when Russia invaded Georgia all the US could do was stand on the sidelines and screech and scream. Now Rice and Cheney are running around trying to shore up what's left. Amusing.
Hal, Tucson,
and four out of every five axis troops facing the soviets, yep the good ole US of A saved our bacon? not!
Graham Bromley, Rotherham, UK
harry, London, - of course it does. Our media was developed for the subtleties of this senario.Stll, crude or subtle, media works for the same reason it has always - for the citizens who want to alp it up. Mind you, ours is much more subliminal..so that we can't say that we are being brainwashed.
James, Kingston,
The US and Britain would have had very little hope of invading Europe and eventually Germany if it was not for the huge Russian effort. Russia was the number 1 reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War two. As any military historian will tell you, the US couldn't have done it without Russia
Mark Stevens, Auckland, New Zealand
oh yes the great US Liberators !!!!!! Europeans don't have that short a memory, the horror of war was on europes doorstep and we didn't have the luxury of being 3000 miles away from it, maybe thats why we Europeans prefer a diplomatic approach instead of instantly flexing our muscles.
paul, Brighton, england
I am shocked to read so many of the postings from the UK. Russia is in the process of annexing a large portion of Georgia and your indignation is with the US? If that doesn't illustrate to yourselves that your anti-US propoganda has gotten the better of you, probably nothing will.
Michael, San Francisco, USA
You know after reading all of the US bashing "forget" you all. I for
one am all for Fortress America!!! Pay your own bills, fight your own enemies, invent your own prosperity. Enjoy your subservient existence.
Bart , San Diego, usa
The internet is the follow on to DARPA Net,developed by the US military. CERN maintains the standards for the WWW.
keith, Ft Walton Beach, USA
The West invade Afganistan, Iraq and agree to recognise Kosovo. Russia fights a small little battle in Georgia and suddenly the Russian Bear according to the media is back to threaten the world. Our propaganda machines work well don't they......cool.
harry, London,
If the world was really smart, and wanted to cause some trouble for Russia we should recognize Checnya as a seperate nation just like they did with Abkhazia and S. Osseita . Then lets see how smart they are.
Donnie, Ft. Lauderdale , USA
> Being a conservative American
Is this a virtue?
Simon Leonard, Vancouver, Canada
It is time for the US to only take care of ourselves the millions of dollars that we give to help our neighbors, STOP it. What kind of humanitarian aid does Russia send to help others? Let the world take care of itself, the oppresors win, and everyone will stop whining about the "mean" USA
Drew, Phoenix,
You people are so funny.
Rizza, Selfred,
Pootie Poot has been on a power trip for some time now. Killing ex KGB agents with rare and unusual toxins. He's pretty much thrown out whatever was left of the reform and appointed himself as the new Czar.
The evil empire is back... and Pootie is trying to pretend the last decade never happened.
Bob, York, Pennsylvania, USA
Personally, I say we pull out and let the Europee-ons freeze this Winter when Russia decides to turn off the oil pipelines. To hell with them.
James, Birmingham, USA
Yeah Soviet Bear didi many bad things, free education, free healthcare, cheap goods and etc. Flights in space for warsaw pact countries.
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
It would seem to me that too many folks here are only as informed as Bush, CNN, and FOX would like them to believe.
Joseph Stalin was Georgian, and this time around, it was President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia that attacked innocent citizens of his own country. Become informed people!
S. Becker, Calgary, Canada
Europe is just as tribal as the middle east, that's the real problem.
Al , Tracy , CA, USA
Ossetia is part of Georgia and any country should police rebel forces inside their borders. I hope the US is supplying military aid. Why dont they search the ships? because it is a whole different game stealing from and killing civillians to a force that will defend itself. Russia GET OUT.
Marcus, Brisbane, Australia
Regardless of the perceived rights or wrongs of the events unfolding in Eastern Europe, if these comments are truly a reflection of American attitude, they show that the US is the most dangerous country to the world at large.
Richard, Marlow, UK
Americans are dumb. They won a war against us and they use are colors for a flag. They also stand proudly saluting this flag whilst singing words to an English soldiers tune.
I think anyone who comes from a country that dropped an atomic bomb on a civilian population should be embarrassed about war.
Mike , Liverpool, UK
Russians saved Europe? Did you forget what happened after WWII? If it wasn't for America staying there, you would be speaking Russian now!
Jim, Starkville,
It was not the Russian army to defeat Napoleon and Hitler. It was General Winter and a slash and burn from the border to Moscow. V Putin is repeating Stalinist history by occupying Georgia an inch at a time. Remember the 23mil dead in the Ukraine.
John Bohacheff, North Augusta, United States
"Do you guys, and I mean all of you, ever stop and think that perhaps arguing on a forum solves nothing?
Cassie, Tucson, AZ, USA"
Seems to me that Cassie is the smartest person on here. Thank you Arizona!
Eric, California, USA
As an american, I wish we could get rid of Texas.
I thought Ronald Reagan ended the cold war? hmm I guess not.
scott, pennsylvania, usa
Good on the US for confronting these Russian thugs, the Ruskies have some cash for the first time in decades due to the oil spike and have big dreams of being a superpower again. Don't let them get cocky, stomp on them now!
With what ? First mind Irak, all the supplies go there . Get real please
Leonard, Sardinia,
This has been one of the most entertaining reads in a long time. I read a lot of emotional reaction vs. an analytical one. I applaud Russia for stooping Germany during WWII. I give thanks to the Brits and the French for never giving up. We triumphed over evil incarnate Hitler. Today we fail history.
Dan, Ventura, USA
World War 1, World War 2, so what! The time is here and now. Iv'e read these posts by Europeans about how the U.S. is hated, and maybe aligning with Russia should be considered. As an American and former soldier, go right ahead. Citizens of the U.S. would love to remove ourselves from Euro.
Reee, Phoenix, USA
We are lucky that USA still defend freedom in the world. Europe is too weak and does have the spinal cord to act and facing Russia or Iran. The Europeans have a short memory and forgot long ago that they were liberated by the USA. May by you prefer to be in the sphere of influence of russia?
Jacquelin Ouellette, Montreal , Canada
US Lend-Lease aid saved the Soviets from Hitler:
Aircraft 14,795
Tanks 7,056
Jeeps 51,503
Trucks 375,883
Motorcycles 35,170
Tractors 8,071
Guns 8,218
Machine guns 131,633
Explosives 345,735 tons
Railroad freight cars 11,155
Locomotives 1,981
Michael, Lakeway, Texas, USA
A message to our allies, the US: Don't blink now.
Andy Lewis, Chelmsford, England
I have read some rather bizarre comments from many people from many countries. I only ask that you do not hold the rest of the citizens of a country accountable for what you have read.
Also, NO ONE, especially not the U.S, forces a person to kill innocent men, women, and children.
James, Texas, USA
2Jim: "The real enemies of America and Western Europe are Russia, China, and Islam" - that is exactly the kind of mentality that is a real threat to the US.
Alexey, St-Petersburg, Russia
Someone needs to remind Mr. Bush and his sidekick Dick that the cold war is over! It ended about eighteen years ago! Yet they are trying to cram NATO down Russia's throat and isolate Russia in every way they can. Why mess with the Russians? Why start WWIII? Al Qaeda is the enemy, not Russia!
Daniel Draffen, Madison, Alabama, USA
Rezo, I hope we can do more for your country. The Russians beat the Germans. Thats funny to even hear that from the Brits. Let's rewrite history to put the Russians in the water heading into Normandy also. I say two things helped the Russians in WWII, 1.the winter months 2.us softening up the krouts
Eric, Vacaville CA, USA
The people of Europe and America should see these Russian aggressions as a wake up call. It's time for us to unite and stand up for what we believe is right. I hope I live to see a federation of the united states of America, Europe and Oceania. Our democratic values are worth fightin for.
Fredrik Augustsson, Göteborg, Sweden
TO: bruce, peoria, IL, USA - we really dont need nothing from anywhere you all need us!
How told you that? Your president? So, it's another big lie! But if you are so sure, isolate yourself for a while and you'll see.
Vitaly, Moscow, Russia
Continental Europe couldn't protect itself from Blackwater without the U.S. The U.S. might as well pull out of NATO and form a new alliance with countries that aren't freeloaders and bleeding hearts.
James Wilcox, Yelm, USA
The ignoranceof american posters is tremendous.
Internet isn't made by USA, but CERN (Europe)
USSR was attacked by massive german troops in and after 4 years defeat germany, not USA, which was involved in wwii and USA was the only one, who use nuclear weapon against civilian people (not soldiers)
John, S. Peterburg, Russia
TO: Andrew, Lynchburg, US - The U.S. is the spreader of democracy and peace.
Read by letter - WE DON'T NEED YOUR DEMOCRACY!!!! Your so called "democracy" is money and blood anywhere you go. KEEP IT for yourself. Your country is to young to teach the others how to live. Russia in particular.
Vitaly, Moscow, Russia
Funny to read. Only imagine - the same situation, the same participants, except one: US instead of Russia, and you all would say "God bless America as the only defender of poor people in Osetia". . It seems US is responsible for everyone in the world, even if this one doesn't want it.
VLD, Almaty, Kazakhstan
OH MY GOD....And these american guys that are commenting here really think that they are living in a free world?? You really think that CNN and FOX are the "the only truth" in the world? Why dont you use your brains, guys?
Im pleased to see some people here(mostly europeans) who have common sence
Maria, Geneve,
Let the Europeans protect themselves against who? The USA or Russia?
There are both the same. Their blood lust will bring us all to Hell.
Rol, Annecy, France
Craig in Baltimore." leaders beg for our help once again after they have ben invaded" If my memory serves me correctly,they,the USA ,didn't become involved the last time until after Pear Harbour and Hitler declaring war on the USA in support of his Japanese allies.
Mike, Peterborough, UK
Well... I suggets to all of us we should start teaching Americans the history, geography and ability to analyze. Or maybe we should start their mass media first?
How about tolarance? Can they be tought at the age, or they're just hopeless?
Leonid, Moscow, Russia
We should've admitted Georgia to NATO sooner. Now look at the mess!
Doug, Minneapolis, USA
Russia had something like 80 div, facing similar Germany Div. The US and the allies faced 14 divs in Europe with approx 13+. All the best Germany troops and hardware where in Russia fighting. IN Reality Russia saved Europe and won WII, NOT the US. (or was it Hilters stupidity that save EU)
Darren, London, UK
Short of a strategic nuclear exchange, a war between Russia and the West would devastate Europe foremost.
It's easy for Americans to be gung-ho about it, because under such a scenario they'd be safely protected by two oceans.
We in Europe don't have that luxury.
I'm an American in Europe.
Rene Moya, London, UK
To Craig, Baltimore, MD, USA
When did Europe need USA. Russia defeated Germans not USA. Who created Bin ladin and his terrorist oh thats right USA. So you are protecting Europe from your enemies, so where were you during London bombings, Spanish bombings etc. I can see how much USA helped to kill
Mark, Leeds, UK
Meanwhile, advanced beings in a far away solar system are watching us in dismay, wondering why are they squabbling amongst themselves when they have a much bigger problem in climate change to confront.
Julio , Austin, TX, US
Its the Americas, from the southern tip to the top of Canada, Pops, the New World, that left the Old World behind, well deal with our own problems, the threat of Spanish, is silly. Why, your in the UK, partner, and being a Mexican American, from my perspective, I do not see it happening! FREEDOM
Frank S Ramirez, Floresville, TX, United States of America
Chris, the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies during the first year of WWII; the USSR helped build up Hitler's war machine from 1922 and fed it '39-40.
Stalin's hope was that Hitler and Western Europe would exhaust each other so that he could advance to the West of territories he occupied in '39-40.
Dr Andris Lielmanis, Brampton, Canada.
It's funny everyone ALWAYS blames the US for EVERYTHING, but when help is needed they always call us for EVERYTHING.
The world is constantly changing get over it, some people are good others are evil, doesn't matter which country you come from it's just human nature. Get over it Uk.
andres, myrtle beach, usa
Hey steve from Romford,UK, at least we won't have to kneel and pray five times a day, give me Spanish and a western lifestyle anyday!
andres, myrtle beach, USA
How do start something when both Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of your country with your thinking it is okay for us to take over canada because they are south to us.
I am assumeing yoe are not a conservative as you never stayed awake during history class or went to the same classes obama.
Jerry, clifton park, USA
Georgia has every right to invite foreign war / aid ships to any of its ports just as Russia could to one of its ports....as it is there are uninvited foreign ships occupying some of Georgia's ports as well as uninvited troops dug in around them and uninvited planes/helicopters flying over them.
Dr Andris Lielmanis, Brampton, Canada.
It is a shame to see all of the anti-american sentiments from Western Europeans, and vice-versa. Let's face it -- we need each other. The real enemies of America and Western Europe are Russia, China, and Islam. We should stick together and confront the real enemy before it is too late.
Jim, Atlantic City, USA
To Steve of Romford UK. You're more true about your Spanish comment than you probably realize. :)
Carl, San Antonio, USA
Ossetia is not a separate country. It is as much a part of Georgia as Miami is a part of the state of Florida. Imagine if Cuba launched an attack on Florida because it falsely accused them of mistreating native Cubans in Miami. Wake up. This is about money and control.
Barbara, Atlanta, USA
I should also like to add "unbiased accuracy of newspapers" to the list of lecture subjects mentioned below. Since your propaganda is obviously different than ours, how does it follow that yours is the more truthful?
Rev Brian Carpenter, Sturgis, SD, USA
Tensions with Moscow? Unheard of. Accusations that we're (The US) anti-Russian? Unheard of...
Good God no matter what we do that's what we hear from Russia.
Ben, Orlando,
Russia saved europe from Germany? How much worse would 50 years of Nazi occupation have been than 50 years of Soviet occupation for eastern europe? It wasn't much of an improvement for most people. With the resurgent Soviet bear, how can you blame countries like Georgia for not wanting a repeat?
Bob, USA,
To M. Lafayette, Paris, KY, US
USA started the war in Yugoslavia. If it wasn't for your interference and UKs everyone would break away peacefully like the Soviets. Just so you can make money selling weapons and establishing new bases to control.
Marko, Birmingham, UK
Pull all of our troops out of Europe...I wonder how long it would be before their leaders beg for our help after they have been invaded.
Craig, it ain't WW2 . Gasprom is neither Wehrmacht nor SS . RF has too few grunts & too much brain to invade EU . If you go, NO ONE'll call you back...BEWARE...
Leonard, Sardinia,
Almost forgot, you can thank Us (the US) for the internet... You're welcome...
Brad, Missouri, USA
It was arguably the Russians defeat of the Germans that saved Europe from Hitler, not the Americans. Remember they wanted no part of it until there interest were attacked
so did Russians.. Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact tells you something?..
Rezo, Tbilisi, Georgia
After reading all the hate America posts,
it's obvious many don't know the real reason
Russia invaded. I'm refering to a certain oil pipeline.
I must warn you, if this ignorance continues, we're
going to bring Democracy to you!
Chuck, Michigan, USA
Go McCain!
chuck tucker, temperance, united states of america
Today, we should all be Georgians.
Ted, Valdosta, Georgia, USA
Europe, we appreciate your thanks.... Glad you weren't incorporated into the Soviet bloc. Here's a deal, we pull our troops out of Germany and you can increase your defense spending, and then like maybe you know your Socialist economies might drag a little, just a little. How about it?
Brad, MO, USA
It is obvious that (in the words of historian John Keegan) that no good deed goes unresented,
Euro-twits are back to their 'peace in our time' mindset.
Is the spirit of Winston S. Churchill alive except as the name of an American warship (with a serving member of the Royal Navy as navigator)?
Arthur Downs, Camden-Wyoming DE, USA
To Graham of London...I would expect such juvenile verbiage from one who calls a "nanny" state his home - why do you think our forefathers threw off the rule of King George in the first place?
Scott, Pennsylvania, USA
Good banter - the US gives aid and support for influence which gives control - at the end of the day I'd be more comfortable with US 'support' than Russian or Chinese 'support' .
We'll all have to learn Spanish to talk to US citizens soon so don't worry to much about English grammar and spelling!
steve, Romford, UK
Being a conservative American, I've long felt that our intrusion into the Caucasus is wrong. Further, let's not forget that Georgia started this mess and they barked up the wrong tree by attacking Ossetia, one of Russia's allies. Georgia should never become a part of NATO either. It's too far east.
Steve Harkonnen, Charlottesville, USA
Europe, lol.
Nick, Virginia, USA
It was arguably the Russians defeat of the Germans that saved Europe from Hitler, not the Americans. Remember they wanted no part of it until there interest were attacked.
Chris, stockport,
What a display of Uber-americans this place has turned into. Let us hope the US elections are over soon...
Sven, Germany, Europe
the ignorance of world history shown by 95%+ of USA posters on here is quite incredible.there again any country that elects a complete idiot for a president has little going for them.the views of clowns like miliband and cameron do not reflect public opinion.most europeans are sick to death of USA
graham, london, uk
hey Bruce, we wish you Yanks stayed in America as well. All you have offered the world is Globalistic greed and relentlessly pursued your selfish ends under the veil of humanitarianism?.
The world has been a worse place since America was the dominant world power, glad that era it is over.
Phil, Adelaide, Australia
I am ask again, who want to attack europe?? May be US use their bases to control europe, to control japan. Maybe US just afraid independent Europe and try to create new big enemy, to save their bases and influence. US still occupies europe.
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
What's with the uneducated UK and Canadian commenters having their say here? Perhaps we should pull all of our troops out of Europe and bring them home. Let the Europeans protect themselves. I wonder how long it would be before their leaders beg for our help once again after they have been invaded.
Craig, Baltimore, MD, USA
What if the US Fleet Flagship hit a mine?
What if the Greek government stops armed foreign ships sailing through the international waters of the Aegean Sea?
What if European government leaders explain to the incumbant US presidents that this could be worse than Subrime disaster for world 'business
Nicholas Xenakis, Borough, London, England, Britain
The sooner they all start world war 3 and everyone nukes everyone else the better i say.Perhaps then the earth will be able to recover without the infestation known as the human race !!!
Mike Baldwin, Rushden,
the sad fact is we have helped so many from babysitting the british to aid in what ever poverty strictened country, frankly most blue collared americans would just assume cut all of you all off and take care of our own. we really dont need nothing from anywhere you all need us!
bruce, peoria, IL, USA
elle, LONDON, UK
Europian "liberals" are the most brainwashed group in the world..
Suddenly it seems OK for your "liberal" values, droping cluster bombs on civilians,ethnic cleansing,viping entire vilages of the map,looting and killing,that's what russian army is doing right now...
Rezo, Tbilisi, Georgia
Good on the US for confronting these Russian thugs, the Ruskies have some cash for the first time in decades due to the oil spike and have big dreams of being a superpower again. In reality they are a 1970's military with warped grandiose dreams. Don't let them get cocky, stomp on them now!
Keith, Auckland, New Zealand
When the US tried to allow the Europeans solve their own problems in the post-Cold War world in the early 1990's in the Balkans, they tied themselves into knots and the US had to force Milosevic to the table under the guise of NATO.
M. Lafayette, Paris, KY, US
GM, US will support whomever it deems necessary, & you should be thankful, because your country is dependent on the US for air defense, and a protectionary contract that ensures your safety. I guess it's hard for someone whose worst enemy is East Timor to understand big boy problems.
JB, Dallas,
God save the Queen and Prince Charles and the United Kingdom of Islam (the one next to Scotland where all the skinny people live.)
Pete, Wilmington, United States
Scott, Texas - I doubt you'd step aside if Europe was invaded, all your nuclear weapons are here as you are too scared of Russia to base them in Texas and actually be a target yourselves. Shame you don't portray such cowardice when starting wars - oh, sorry you do - fighting unarmed women.
peter downs, leicester, england
I love the USA. The people there are amazing and the country is too but I'm seriously getting put off by the cretins who continually bring up WW1 and WW2.
So just for those people: Europe would have been truly scuppered without you it's true, but without Europeans you would have failed to exist
Barney, Huyton, Liverpool
After reading most of the comments it has become apparent that around 60-70% of american posters are seriously unhinged. This is deeply worrying. I think what the world needs is for america to have some sort eugenics programme where the populous is cleansed of right-wing thick sculled creationists.
Steve, London,
Not to worry soon the truth about the American economy will be revelled and America will not be able to afford a war. I see a lot of Americans commenting here are Anti Europe, don't worry we have become Anti American, so maybe we should side with Russia and stop you starting the next world war.
John, London,
Americans is something. So poor education i never seen...
They win WW1?? They win WW2?? They protect "west world" - from who? I think after Georgia, Europe will see what is US now. US is only terrorist and criminal in the world...
Alexey, Moscow, Russia
Well done America, finally a show of strength from the worlds largest military, something we have been waiting to see for weeks. The only way to end this conflict is to call Russia's bluff show them that their hand is weak and the western hand stronger and they may not bluff any pot they wish.
James Clancy, London, UK
Last time it was Poland,before that Serbia,now Georgia. There is a pattern emerging. Non entities starting world wars!
John, Liverpool, England
Brian, Youngstown. OH.
I love the way you have the audacity to correct someone's spelling mistake and then follow it up with a your own example of terrible grammar. A fine example of American arrogance.
Derek, East Yorkshire uk,
Im shocked at how brainwashed Americans are...you really have no idea whats going on in the real world. But then your media is so censored. The US government are the biggest terrorists in the world. Starting wars for oil pretending your the good guys, same story in georgia US backed aggression.
elle, LONDON, UK
It is funny that someone on here called Saddam a madman, It seems the Americans never thought that was the case when they were arming him to fight the Iranians. Same for Bin Laden, when America were training him to fight the Russians. Seems the US will be on anybodies side when it suits them.
GM, Brisbane,
I think the US should send food, lots of it - rather than arms. Its been well known in europe the US has been funding the Georgian Army with equipment for 3-4 years.
Judging by the size of most of your citizens you could do with cutting down on your calorie intake.
Gary, Watford, England
To Joe from Chicago
Maybe you should check out your countries history post WW 2 any action America was in she was supported by GB,an unreliable country I think not.get your facts right.
Mike, Larne, N/Ireland
The sad fact is that England is no more. I am not surprised the U.S. doesn't rely on it as a partner.
Joe, Chicago, USA
Here we go again with the Canadian as "wusses" stereotype. Check your facts pal. Canada has been involved in almost every conflict the U.S. has been involved with the exception of Vietnam) in the 20th Century for better or worse. WWI, WWII, Korea, Gulf War I and Afghanistan. Typical Yank ignorance!
Andrew, Ottawa, Canada
I wonder what STEALTH equipment could be used to MYSTERIOUSLY destroy Russian Equipment not keeping with the pull-back agreement? Hmmmmm !!!!!!!!
Jim, Special Forces Ret., Fayetteville, USA
why are thye majority of posters american?
ian wilson, ipswich, uk
The Mount Whitney carries enough food to feed her crew for 90 days, and transport supplies to support an emergency evacuation of 3,000 people. The Mount Whitney's distilling units can make over 100,000 US gallons (400 m³) of fresh water a day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mount_Whitney_(LCC-20)
Findail, Detroit, USA
Warships delivering aid, next tanks will be described as ambulances and stun grenades as anasthetics. I don't think any one is as simple as the US seem to thik they are - that is eccept perhaps the US military.
Trev, Thetford, UK
the US is playing with fire, Cheney is a draft dodger trying to instigate a war with Russia, in the US you can be as arrogant as you are but in the end nobody wins , God help us all
joe, Florida, USA
The USA and EU should recognize Chenya as independent from Russia. Se what the evil empire thinks of that.
Jeff, West Palm Beach, USA
Umm...is the general trend of comments from Americans on this post an accurate representation of what the US population is led to believe by it's media? Because if it is, the situation for the world may be hopeless.
Taj, London, England
The next time Germany, Russia, France (laughable now, but not under Napoleon), or someone else decides to invade the rest of Europe, I vote that we step aside and let them have it.
Scott, Houston, TX, USA
Iraq wasn't invaded on a lie. They were invade for FAILING to comply with the restrictions that were imposed on them, when they invaded Kuwait. Bush was smart enough to realize that if terrorists were going to get WMD's. That they would get them from a mad man who already used them on his own people
Major Beatdown, Green Bay, USA
"Hawkish", I think they have been too kind to George Bush. Terms like "Satanic", "drunkard", "foaming at the mouth lunatic" would be more appropriate.
Steve, Dedham, MA, USA
Don
The USS Mt. Whitney is named for the highest summit in the contiguous United States with an elevation of 14,505 feet (4,421 m)
Steve, Ithaca, United States of America
Coming off our brilliant victory in Iraq, we should now focus on teaching the Russians some manners. The Georgians are a peaceful, democratic ally of the West and we should come to their aid.
Tom, Cleveland, USA
I served on the mt.whitney 76-79,yes she is a command control ship. moscow knows her capabilities. she is not an offensive ship. she war retro-fitted just when I was leaving 6-79. I'm not up to snuff on her now. any of you ruskies out there served on your listening ships out in the atlantic?memories
jim, lake city,fl, usa
stalin "giving" osseta to georgia came at the cost of an imposed
occupation by russian colonialists. instead of military action ,georgia should have applied citizenship tests like estonia now does and perhaps controlled residency permits like switzerland .
barry, toronto,
Commentro from Oshkosh. So you are saying the US had nor business in Kosovo or Bosnia?
Tom, Lexinton, MA, US
"The Europe nations are continuing to supply Russia with money by continuing to trade with them"
And the US buy its oil from friendly US loving nations ........
Tom Hurley, London, UK
The Americans are the only nation brave enough to stand up to the Russians while as usual the Europeans look towards their tried and tested "appeasement" approach. Lead Of course, the cowardly French and incompetent British will be screaming for American help soon enough. Well done America!
Ian, Brisbane, Australia
Our uninformed friend from San Antonio (doesn't Texas have the worst education system in the US?) should do some research into The Times. If he did, he would find that the paper is owned by News Corp of Murdoch fame, the owner of FOX news. Better luck next time cowboy!
Andrew , Toms River, USA
Racist,hypocritical, small minded, boring New Zealand crows from a high moral perch and does nothing except whine about America while doing everything to attract the US tourist dollar. Maybe its the stifling holier-than-thou attitude that drives so many of us to leave and go to US ally Australia
Bruce Trevor, Wellington, New Zealand
The nasty vile neocons in the white house are playing russian roulette with everyones lives in the world.
This is not Iraq or Afghanistan which were defencless.
why is UK acting as USA's foreign policy mouth piece
Rabbani, Birmingham, UK
"Every human being deserves rights to be free."
Is that the US version of free... and only in states that supply the US with its energy! there are many other nations that need help I dont see the US army rolling to help them!!!!
Tom Hurley, London, UK
For me it looks like a favourite toy is taken away from an American boy. USA = child. You have wars for money you don't possess, for a false reason like nuke in Iraq but always for oil. You'd better go home and leave these problems for the elderly of Europe and Russia.
Leonid, Moscow, Russia
One reason for the Russian invasion of Georgia was to deprive Israel of air bases from which to attack Iran. Now the ball's in the US court. A US attack could well result in Russian and Iranian etaliation. If Israel bombs Iran, the entire Muslim world unites against Israel. Tough call. "You are cordially invited to participated in WWIII, from late September 2008 RSVP
Nice, neutral Buddhist country, anyone?
Andrew Milner, Karuizawa, Japan
Russia commits ethnic cleansing in Georgian Abkhazia and SO since 1992. They back warlords, arm & lead militias raiding Georgia for years. They burn out Georgians living in SO and Abkhazia-territory that is Georgian for centuries. Russia is the aggressor.
This Obama Democrat supports Georgia!
Paul, Orlando, USA
Hey Robert from Amarillo......
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/lcc-20.htm
The USS MT Whitney is most definately a flagship as well as the most sophisticated command and control vessel the Navy has which has conducted humanitarian relief efforts many times in the past as well
Mike, Houston, USA
Warships MUST be used to deliver aid, because impoverished Russian soldiers steal anything they can. A Russian draftee makes $3 a month! They were seen ripping toilets out of homes in Georgia to take back to Russia.
Kevin Finnerty, Atlanta, USA
China finances the US economy by buying treasury bonds. India is buying its entertainment industry. Japan steamrolls Detroit. Russian nukes re-target US cities. Wealth moves to Asia. US gets creamed in Olympics. McCain says US always wins. Yeah right - Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. Get off my face USA
Rakesh Krishnan, Auckland, New Zealand
Stephen, We invided Iraq on a lie. The U.S. doesn´t invade countries to save lives. Otherwise, we would have permanent bases all over Africa. By the way it was "W" and Co. that have done nothing in Georgia. Why? Because the "Coalition of the willing" doesn´t invade countries with nuclear allies
michael, L.A., U.S.A.
TO Scott Ferguson, Grass Valley, United States
Russia were ready to go, but they also requested the UN to step in 3 weeks before tensions rose... the US said NO to their request... and were left to resolve the problem the only way they know how.........
Tom , dublin, Ireland
Captured members of te Taliban say they would rather fight Euro/Cannuckian forces than American because the Euro/Cannuck forces are timid in battle, while American forces fight like they mean it.
Robert, Amarillo,Tx, USA
Davo, Auckland, New Zealand
America entered the war when it was attacked...the noble entry into war...just like September 11. But don't worry, we expect NOTHING from anyone else. America is the only country on this planet that carries its own wieght...and everybody elses..so sit down and relax.
Robert, Amarillo,Tx, USA
Davo, New Zealand is always first on the scene as well. Right??
Americans took the brunt of the pacific battle (WW2) where you sit in your glass house.
Quit throwing stones from your glass house.
Jeff, Dallas, USA,
every sovereign nation has duty to defend it's citizens(the real ones)
Rezo, Tbilisi, Georgia
So you say SO was your land, so Ossetians was YOUR citizens, and Tzkinvaly YOPUR town...And YOU have bombed IT (not guerrilla men: civilians) for hours, if not for days...What a brilliant defence...
Leonard, Sardinia,
The New York Times
February 15, 1898, page 1
The Maine Blown Up
Terrible Explosion on Board the United States Battleship in Havana Harbor
Remember the Maine !!
luis, Sale, UK
Does anyone remember the massive cyber attacks that took down every government network in Georgia for the two weeks leading up to the Russian invasion (whether justified or not it's still and invasion). And how were there that many troops ready to move that quickly by ground? Russia is guilty here.
Scott Ferguson, Grass Valley, United States
Very soon US will find itself having to fight too many wars... A world "democracy" bringing another Samosa in this world. Bring on November elections...this planet needs a gasp of fresh air....
Max, Belfast, Ireland
Judith of St Louis
The US was also very late to join WW1 as well as WW2. Germany was already exhausted from the battles with England ,France @ Russia before US joined Allies.
US has history of trying to get others to fight wars while she sells war materials to both sides for profit.
Davo, Auckland, New Zealand
It is so sad that the public never understands anything about the military. This article does not even do basic fact-checking on what kind of ship the U.S.S. Mount Whitney is and what it is and is not capable of doing. While technically a combatant, it is primarily a command-and-control ship.
J.L., U.S.A, U.S.A.
1. Let's ignore any commentrs from Canada. The military of Canada is the United States Marine Corps. They are horrifically insecure useful idiots for dictators and anybody remotely anti-american.
2. The US is the only thing standing in the way of evil in this world.
Keith, NYC, USA
World.
When McCain becomes president, the latest rise of dictatorships throughout the world will meet the U.S. with a backbone, and cower once again in fear as they did when Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. showed them what strength is.
We will always have to fight wars.
Ryan, Fall River, USA
to Spencer, norman, USA
Just because the Russian lost so many lives in Great Patriotic War (which we call WW2) and in dark times of our history, we so much love peace and tolerance. On the contrary, you US prefer killing people who is not able to fight back. Weak position, I assume.
Leonid, Moscow, Russia
I don't see this as a USA problem. It's a Russian - Georgian problem. The US need to stay out of these affairs. Russia is not threatening the US so why get involved. Georgia was a part of the USSR anyway which makes a stronger case for the US to stay out of it.
Jason, Bloomsburg, USA
The US is if not the only but one of a few "stand-up," countries in the world today. "Stand-up," means believing in truth, justice and the common rights of the individual, and backing up others in the world who aspire the same...this is beyond borders, Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan now Ga..we represent
J, Littleton, US
I get a kick out of reading all the hate against U.S. Since WW2, the U.S. has ensured collective security of the western world. The first 50 years of the 20th century demonstrate what enlightened European policy gets you..2 world wars, communism and 94 million dead..thanks enlightened europe !
Ben, Virginia Beach, Virginia, USA
Somthing bad happens in the world and it's blamed on the US and Bush.
Which country delivers the most foriegn aid? It's not France, German, England, Russian - It's the USA.
Maybe we should stop bailing the rest of the world out.
Sean, Oceanside, USA
Hey James of Kingston,
Russia used force. Where is your outrage over their abuses.
Russia is going back to it's thug tactics of the past. The UN is worthless and Russia has UN veto power. Get a clue.
America is noble and most of the other member nations are week in character.
Steve, USA!
Steve, Foothill Ranch, USA
Why isn't Europe delivering such aid to Georgia?
Ian, Madison, USA
Why isn't the USA delivering such aid to the South Ossetians? Why is it that the USA doesn't seem to view South Ossetian casualties of the Georgian action the same way it views the much more limited number of Georgian ones?
Tim, London, UK
I love the hypocrisy of you Liberals. The US goes into Iraq to free 30 million innocent people, THEN we stay to rebuild the country, and you liberals call us evil. BUT Russia invades an innocent country, kills innocent people, & you say NOTHING.
Stephen, Dallas, TX
Anton, Urjupinsk
What a smarty guy! You are showing wonders in your logical conclusions! Sure the world learnt about Russion invasion after mass media had informed about it. Or comrade Putin informed you about his intentions before???
Igor, Kiev, Ukraine
Biggest contributer of foreign aid!!! American tax dollar you cant afford are paying to aid countries who are always in need, yet everyone knows that American citizens need the aid at home....1 billion for Georgia...where will America borrow this from...your national debt is unbelievable!!
Mike, London, UK
Hey, Steve, of London. I with you on sending all of the Americans out of Europe. That would be a dream come true for me. Unfortunatley for us Americans, that will never happen- I live for the day that it will.
Reed, Phoenix, USA
The "rightest press"? haha...okay. The rightist press, the Bush Administration, the entire European community have all painted Russian to be the agressors in this case. If the press and the Europeans are agreeing with the Bush Administration, is it really so difficult to admit that they are right.
Brian, Youngstown, OH
World,
When Obama becomes President, US will pull troops out of every country in the world. He has promised to do this. He also promised to have a closed policy when it comes to free trade. The military will be cut to pay for Socialized National Health Care. We will never have fight a war again.
Lee R. Sachs, Athens, USA
lets invite Russia to EU & NATO .It would solve all problems.Other think what is a point to figth for indepedience ,if stratgh after gaining it you fill accesion treaty??
martin, london,
The whole world knows that the U.S. is the major force for GOOD in the world. Yes, it has its flaws, but it, by far, has done more good things for the rest of the world than the rest of the world combined.
Leroy Jenkins, Brooklyn, USA
Russia is a lawless country that does not care or gives a damn for the rest of the world. As such, Russia should treated as an outcast. Putin is next Stalin. BTW, I am one of those Americans who know what they are talking about - I wasted 27 years of my life living inGod damned Soviet Union.
Lazar, New York city, USA
Andrew in Toronto
The US have absorbed Canada; not by military force but by economic agression and cultural invasion.
MW, London, UK
Here is a test to verify how "unbiased" the US press is. Go to local library and check paper dated 8/8/08. You will find somewhere on the 4th page a couple of lines about "heavy fighting" in Ossetia (i.e. Georgia's attack). Then take the next day paper. RUSSIAN AGGRESSION is right on the first page.
Anton, Urjupinsk, Russia
Let's back up a little from World War II to World War I. The Kaiser and Germany would have won that one if not for the help of the US. The whole of continental Europe would have been German. Interesting thought, eh?
Judith Shimkus, St Louis, MO, USA
USS Mt Whitney is definitely NOT a destroyer. It is a command ship, and can carry many tons of supplies for use in disaster relief (whether natural or Russian).
Howard, Philadelphia, USA
Quit your whining foolish commentators. That the ship is next generation command ship (NOT a pure warship) is besides the point. It is VERY well equipped to deliver aid.
Kazuki, Tokyo, Japan
Ok let's let Russia run rough-shod over all the countries friendly to the US. Good bye Poland, Ukraine, Czech and Georgia. Let's see a return of Soviet style totalitarianism. You can count me out.
Mr. Putin, Poland, Czech, and Ukraine don't want your brand of influence. They want US bases.
Jason, Maui, USA
Safiullah Tazib - The purpose of such a deployment in the Black Sea is a freedom of navigation issue. Ask the people of the Malaca Strait, the Taiwan Strait or the Suez Canal. Whether you like it or not, the US Navy is the only force that can ensure open waters througout the world.
Paul, US,
Do you guys, and I mean all of you, ever stop and think that perhaps arguing on a forum solves nothing?
Cassie, Tucson, AZ, USA
America needs to let the appeasers of the world go by the wayside. If Europe doesn't have the 'stones' to defend one anothers Democracies, then let them be destroyed.
One at a time.
JP, Chehalis, USA
Every democratically elected government makes us safer.
Kevin, Georgia, USA
Keep dreaming. Hitler was democratically elected too. A "hothead" Saakashvili, who started all this bloody mess and who in the middle of the war asked for the US intervention (WWIII?) makes you feel safer?
Anton, Urjupinsk, Russia
I think all responders from liberal CA need to give the conservative and "rightist" commentary a rest. I think the US could balance the National Debt and take care of a lot of problems if we sold CA to the Russians.
The Georgian and Russia problem is the same problem we have all faced - greed.
Bob, east coast, USA
What a hawkish and aggressive nation the Americans are! Probably because you have never had any Real War like WWII on your territory. You joined in 1944 when we have already done all the dirty and bloody work and when it was perfectly clear Germany would lose. That was one brave decision.
Aydar, Kazan, Russia
To Spencer in Norman,
Good point on Stalin and the 10-20 mil he caused to be killed; wrong interpretation though. Stalin was Georgian, first and foremost; he "gave" Abkazia and S. Ossentia to Georgia in the '20's; and by the way, those 10-20 millon?, mostly Ukrainian and Russian. Get the point?
Larry E, Heidelberg, Germany
Steve in Nashville, USA
Britain will consider giving back the Falkland Islands when the USA gives Manhatten back to the Native Americans!
Graham, Florida, USA
Robert in Amarillo;
Have you ever been to Canada? My guess is no. Let us live in our igloos and get to work on our dogsleds in peace.
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many times,... Canadians bash the hell out of the US, then asked to be left alone? You can dish it out but can't take it? That's the hallmark of a bully.
Robert, Amarillo,Tx, USA
I'm waiting for the journalist world to provide a comprehensive 'what really happened' report first in Georgia before listening to the laughably biased comments above.
And since Russia has officially become a despotism, their "media" is really government spin, so lets see it International media.
Geoff, Santa Monica, USA
Hey Russia, Just so you know. Your partnership with China will end the same as your deal with Hitler. As the old neighborhood bully your enemies will find a way to get back at you. They will with our help find an alternitive to liquid and natural gas which will leave you pennyless. I cant wait.
Stewart, Oceanside, United States
Anton, Urjupinsk, Russia
Rebbels started firing on Georgian villages,with your arms,under your "peacekipers" noses...
they left no choice...
every sovereign nation has duty to defend it's citizens(the real ones)
Rezo, Tbilisi, Georgia
President George Bush is a far better leader than any of the leaders of the Euro/Cannuckian sheeple nations.
Robert, Amarillo,Tx, USA
The Serbian/Kosovo evient is a ghost that haunts and should continue to haunt UK & European citizens. Regardless of how you feel about the US actions, their failure to do anything diplomatically or militarilly is one the greatest acts of cowardice in history.
And you wonder why the US babysits?
Geoff, Santa Monica, USA
Why all the Canadian and UK bashing? Canada is our largest state and UK is our most prized offshore Territory!
BTW the USS Mt Whitney is flagship of the US 6th fleet and the most sophisticated spy ship in the world. We can hear you IVAN!
Bart , san diego, usa
Russia chose their time to invade Georgia because they feel Obama may be the next President of the US. They know that it is too close to an election for Bush to do anything meaningful, and they feel if Obama gets ahold of the realm, they can easily bully him because he's a liberal. They're right.
Bryan, Chandler, USA
Why is the US there? We have a policy of promoting democracies around the world. Every democratically elected government makes us safer. It's called foreign policy, it is not surprising that most of you do not understand what that is.
Kevin, Georgia, USA
"Evil triumphs while good men do nothing"
We don't have to defend ourselves. The U.S. is the spreader of democracy and peace.
We have the responsability to defend our ally - Georgia.
When will you Europeans learn that appeasement doesn't work?
Andrew, Lynchburg, US
What does these American deployments in the Black Sea can now actually achieve ? Going to war with Russia over Georgia is totally out of question. So what's the point showing off your naval toys to Russia ?
Safiullah Tazib, London,
US presence in Western Europe was more than welcome when there was a threat of Russia rolling in any moment. And before that, Europe complained that we didn't enter the fray fast enough in WWII. But now America-bashing is fashionable. Maybe a resurgent Russia will make people like us again.
John Reid, NY, United States
I just wonder what US did if our troops were attacked for ex. in Kosovo by Serbians. I am pretty sure we would answer firmly. Right? So why are we blaming Russia for protecting its own soldiers, who were attacked by Georgian troops?
Garry, Phila,
Hey, America! Wake up! If there is war with Russia, there will be no winners. When will on earth you get that the history proves the peace is settled on the ground of the balance of power, so US and Russia are capable to destry each other. If not, no doubt you will kill other nation like in Iraq
Leonid, Moscow, Russia
Oleg, I think Tom was being sarcastic. Don't worry.
Dima, Tbilisi, Georgia
I think my head may explode. I hate to say this, but maybe it's time to take our "toys" and go home like some of them in Canada, the EU, and others are asking for. Oh, that would include our foreign aid, which we are the largest contributing nation, and our record food exports in the world.
Spencer, Norman, Oklahoma
The rightist press continues to demonize Russia, dismissing the fact that the war was started by Georgia, and backed by the U.S. There will be no chance for peace in Central Asia until Bush and his supporters are gone from the white house.
Robert Berke, Oakland, USA
US action speak for themselves. As a member of the UN security could have made the case for intervention in Kosovo, like the US failed to doin Iraq & Afganistan. Instead it chose force as its first option in dealing with a dissagreement witha neighboring country. US has long ago lost any credibility
James, Kingston,
TO Publius, East Coast, USA
Just to point out the US did not have UN backing for Iraq. US drop their proposal and went unilatural... sparked all those protests.... remember 36 million world wide
Tom , dublin, Ireland
Hey Leonid, yes you comrade. Yes, we (USA) are the only ones, so far, to use atomic weapons in WW2. Although terrifying, the casualties were less than 200,000. How many of your people died under Stalin? Somewhere between 10-20 MILLION people. So, before you start pointing fingers read your history.
Spencer, norman, USA
It is pretty funny to read all these Americans commenting on the subject that they have very limited knowledge of. For most of Americans the war started when their media announced about it, not a day before, when Georgia started slaughtering Ossetian civili