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British soldiers may be forced to use German or French bullets in future, as BAE Systems could shut down its Royal Ordnance munitions factories, The Times has learnt.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) is renegotiating its ammunition contract with BAE and has started to sound out European suppliers as an alternative.
Sources close to Royal Ordnance say that BAE, which bought the Royal Ordnance factories in 1987, is demanding a new longer and more lucrative contract to cover the investment needed to modernise its factories.
However, the MoD is concerned that it will be paying more for British bullets, explosives and artillery shells than it would do if it bought them on the open market. The MoD, which spent £280 million on munitions last year, is trying to determine whether national security would be threatened by not having a domestic bullet-making capability. As many components used in BAE’s munitions products are imported already, officials believe that making a switch to other suppliers may be less politically sensitive now.
Royal Ordnance, which traces its history back to the founding in 1560 of the Royal Gunpowder Factory at Waltham Abbey, has been in decline since BAE bought it, with the number of factories cut from 16 to five. Another two face closure. BAE has even scrapped the name Royal Ordnance, calling the division BAE Land Systems (Munitions and Ordnance).
It is rumoured to be loss-making and the impending end to BAE’s supply contract with the MoD next year has forced the company to assess the division’s future.
Mike Turner, chief executive of BAE, told The Times this year: “It has been a difficult part of the business for our shareholders.”
Defence sources familiar with BAE’s strategy said that if the company can get a better deal from the MoD, Royal Ordnance will survive. If not, BAE’s management is planning to close it down.
A BAE spokesman said that BAE Land & Armaments, which encompasses Royal Ordnance, was returning to profit but would not comment on the munitions division’s financial status.
He said: “We are in discussion with the MoD with regard to the future of ammunition supply for UK Armed Forces.
Saying that we are planning to shut down the division is nothing but speculation.”
A spokesman for the MoD said: “Long-term security of supply for general munitions is vital and we are putting in place arrangements to achieve this. BAE has submitted [its] proposals and we are working with [it] on a solution that delivers security of supply and value for money to the taxpayer.”
£280m
— amount the Ministry of Defence spent on munitions last year
11
— number of Royal Ordnance factories closed since BAE took over in 1987
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This is certainly not a new idea! I remember shooting in an Army competition in the early 90's. 5.56mm ammo, made I believe in Central Europe (or thereabouts). Competition had to be stopped, as the ammo was unsafe. No powder loaded into cartridges! Imagine if we leave it up to our European "Friends" to make our ammo. The consequences for our Servicemen and women on the battlefields of the world, fighting another war, that has nothing to do with the defence of the UK. Our Service people deserve the very best, and that should be British.
Les, Wrexham, Cymru
Totaly agree with Paul from Nottingham, re-nationalise the RO factories.
Ed, London, UK
Remember the Falklansd conflict when certain members of Nato and the EU refused to sell us munitions.
Our very good friend Belgum was one of the main culprits.
Any one who banks on our European allies is a fool, so it looks as though we will buy foreign !! due to the fact that our politicians and civil servents are all idiots from the old school.
bruce, manchester, England
Didn't the Belgians refuse to sell us ammunition during the Falklands?
And the French supplied the Argentinians with Exocet missiles....
What price security?!!!
Eddie, Elgin, Scotland
So we use standard NATO rounds and it would become uneconomic for BAE if MOD scrapped their contract?
Does that mean our NATO friends are not intrested in buying BAE munitions? I wonder why not.
BAE appers frequently in the news, I can't think of many positive articles though.
James, Swansea,
It would be an act of total lunacy to place the defence of Britain into the hands of a foriegn supplier where foriegn means a company outside the direct control of the British government. If we can afford nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers we must be able to afford the investment needed to gives us an efficient method of producing our ammuntion.
C. Fox, Ayr, UK
If ever there was a case for re-nationalising a company then this is surely it. This is laughable that as a major political power in world politics; albeit through the projection of our armed forces, we could lose our sovereign capability to actually arm our own troops. Ridiculous!
Paul, Nottingham, UK
I've got a great idea.
Why don't we subcontract the lot - Army , Navy & Airforce!
I'll bet someone can do it cheaper.
Neil , KL, Malaysia
Lets abolish the army as well, then we can send the accountants to fight for us instead.
James, Inverness,
Gareth, You want to bet? The government does not appear to hold anything else sacrosanct, why should it change its mind about this. There are no votes in keeping it open
John, Sutton, UK
Well, so what: the country can't even build its own trucks for the Army, some of the Navy's Royal Fleet Auxilliaries are bulit in Germany, half the Navy is being mothballed to save money. I wonder how many public servants in the MoD there are these days per sailor/soldier/airman compared with say 25 years ago. Basically the UK is stuffed. And Gareth in South Korea: Treasury rules all, so MONEY dictates what happens, not national security...
Gerry Watts, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
BAE stop being children. Sit down and behave yourselves. Under national security the gov wont let you close the factories.
gareth, Seoul, S Korea
Why doesn't BAE simply change its name to Saudi Outdoor Relief Agency and sever its link with Britain for simply being a Saudi slush fund ?
The way governments have suckled this creature with gifts of Rover subsidy and favoured treatment and taxpayer loans....it becomes a simple blackmailer.
The Government should take over the ammunition plants and have them run under contract with BAE receiving £1 compensation and permission to tender for military contracts in future
ToMTom, Leeds, England